Crafting Magic Through Wire and Stone With Lindsay of The Rusted Rabbit

Lindsay of the Rusted Rabbit shares her journey from selling rocks as a kid to creating wire-wrapped crystal jewelry and embracing her identity as a witch despite initial imposter syndrome.

• Started with chainmail jewelry in 2013 before discovering wire-wrapping and crystals
• Embraces being a "lazy chaos witch" who finds magic in the mundane
• Learned her great-grandmother was a spiritualist and tea leaf reader
• Values consistency but struggles with maintaining structure in her practice
• Recently celebrated 1.5+ years of sobriety and wishes more people would ask about it
• Uses therapy, movement, and crystal work as her primary magical tools
• Reconnected with dance as an adult after dancing throughout childhood
• Builds community by teaching workshops and creating space for people at events
• Advises new witches to create their own path and buy the tarot deck that speaks to them

Use code GRANDPA for 15% off at The Rusted Rabbit. Visit www.therustedrabbitgr.com to browse wire-wrapped jewelry, subscription boxes, and see upcoming events.

Chapters

• 0:00 Introduction to Lindsay of Rusted Rabbit
• 4:26 Starting a Wire-Wrapped Jewelry Business
• 10:52 Embracing the Witch Identity
• 15:14 Lindsay's Magical Practice and Motivations
• 22:05 Therapy, Dance, and Magical Tools
• 30:26 Building Community and Advice for Beginners
• 42:35 The GRANDPA Story and Closing Thoughts

Transcript

Grandpa: 0:04

Welcome back to Your Average Witch, where every other Tuesday we talk about witch life, witch stories, and sometimes a little witchcraft. This week's episode is brought to you by Kacie's Corner. Stop by Kacie's Corner of the web to find commissioned spell work, Kacie's blog, her event schedule, and exclusive content on her Ko-fi. Visit welcometokaciescorner.com to learn more. This week's guest is Lindsay of The Rusted Rabbit. We talked about family, rocks, and being socially exhausted. Now let's get to the stories. Lindsay hello! Welcome to the show.

Lindsay: 0:38

Hi, how are you?

Grandpa: 0:42

I am chilly because it's a frigid 60 degrees outside.

Lindsay: 0:48

Oh, it sounds lovely.

Grandpa: 0:54

Can you please introduce yourself and let everybody know who you are and what you do and where they can find you.

Lindsay: 0:59

So I am Lindsay. If you've been to Anahata's Purpose, you may know me as a popcorn parent. I have probably given you a little bag of extra salty popcorn. I am one part of the Rusted Rabbit with my lovely partner, Mike, and we live in Grand Rapids, Michigan, land of the queers, deers and beers because that's what we have a lot of here . We make wire-wrapped jewelry. We use a lot of copper, we've been dabbling with silver and some gold fill and we make little talismans for witches and people that feel drawn to them. I use she, they, fae pronouns and, yeah, I guess I kind of started my witchcraft journey when I started my business.

Lindsay: 2:01

Originally, when I started the Rusted Rabbit, it was, I think, back in 2013. And we started with chainmail jewelry, which was really wild and I think it was like a Game of Thrones thing. I was like I need to learn how to make this and I started learning how to make chainmail and my wrist just couldn't handle it. We had a really big project and I just threw down the pliers. Like I can't do this anymore, and kind of had a break from making jewelry for a few years until I went to a local burn, which is like a regional Burning Man event that we have here in Michigan called Lakes of Fire. My friend Mary brought me there and she introduced me to the concept of gifting, because everything is gifted in that community. I made a bunch of bracelets for people and a lot of them were made with different stones and crystals and I got really excited about that.

Lindsay: 3:06

It was just fun to make a bunch of things to give to people. Basically, I made a bunch of bracelets to give to people and I got really good feedback from them. They weren't anything crazy, but it just felt good to give those to people. And I went back home and I started making them for my friends. And then people started giving me money for them and I was like you know, I should start making jewelry again. Like why not dabble in this again? And learning about the different stones that I was using for beads kind of like, led me into oh, I can learn how to wire wrap these. Oh, they come in all these different shapes and sizes and all kinds of things. And Mike had found an example of those tree of life pendants made with, like the little crystal chips and things like that. They were really popular like back in 2017-ish, and that kind of got us into wire wrapping and it just kind of took off from there and it's kind of, you know, we both have been rock nerds since we were kids too.

Lindsay: 4:20

Like I was that kid that would like grab rocks out of my parents, like the little things on the side of the house, and I would just like walk around my neighborhood selling rocks to people and some of them would buy from me and they were just little shitty rocks. But I started young, I started, yeah. Yeah, that's kind of the history of how you know I got started with the Rusted Rabbit. You can find us online at TheRealRustedRabbit on Instagram and on Facebook as The Rusted Rabbit, and our website is www.therustedrabbitgr.com and you can find pretty much everything between those three platforms.

Grandpa: 5:16

Awesome. Do you call yourself a witch?

Lindsay: 5:20

I do, and I really struggled with this for a long time. I know a topic that comes up on here a lot is the imposter syndrome.

Grandpa: 5:30

Gross.

Lindsay: 5:32

Yes, and I feel like that. You know, that imposter syndrome kind of snuck in for a while and I convinced myself like, oh, you don't practice all the time, you don't. You're not consistent, you don't do certain things. So are you really a witch? Like you know, I I just decided that maybe that wasn't the title for me for a while until I realized that there's a lot more to it than that. And I met, you know, a lot of the people out at Anahata's Purpose, all of you guys, and like all of the learning about all the different paths that witches take, like you don't have to be this, like you know, almighty, powerful witch that does all of the correct rituals. And I, you know, once I kind of met more people, I guess, in that community I realized that I do, I do call myself a witch and that just means like finding magic in the mundane or just creating it myself in this world. You know we don't, especially right now. We need that, we need more of that.

Lindsay: 6:46

And you know, I grew up as a Christian and stuff just didn't really sit right with me. I questioned a lot of it and it felt I don't know, I just it didn't resonate with me. And when I moved away from that I realized I still found deeper meaning in the light and everything around us and I could feel that there was some sort of energy. But I didn't really ascribe that to a God. To me it means just being in tune with myself and the earth and the energies around me.

Grandpa: 7:31

Cool. Can you introduce us to your practice?  Like how do you, how do you work, what sorts of things do you do on a consistent basis, if you have anything consistent?

Lindsay: 7:42

So I would say I don't have like a strict routine or any sort of practice like that, but the things that I do pretty regularly are, you know, wearing my crystals. I am very intentional about which crystals I wear. I create magic with every stone that I wrap. I create magic with every stone that I wrap. They're like little talismans that I put a lot of heart and intention into Some pieces. I say that that little piece of my soul went into that and it's just. You know, it's true.

Lindsay: 8:22

And I look for little signs throughout the day, um, especially with, like your angel numbers, like hey, it's 11, 11. Or like looking for little little things throughout the day like that. Um, whenever I see blue jays, I know that my ancestors are looking out for me. That has been kind of a consistent thing between me and my sisters and we think it might be our great grandma kind of being like, hey, how you doing? Because we all find blue feathers pretty frequently. It's really interesting. And whenever I see hawks, I know that something significant is coming, like a hawk in an, a place that I might not normally see. One. Yeah, um, like I, my first Anahatas, I, we were on our way to like pick up a rental car and a hawk just flew out in front of our car like swooped down and I was like whoa, okay, what are you trying to tell me there, buddy? And you know it ended up being like one of the most impactful things that I did for myself and so, yeah, I just kind of I try to notice little things like that to remember what to reflect on.

Lindsay: 9:44

I feel like I ascribe to being like a lazy chaos witch, where I do spells and rituals but only when I feel called to do them. I try not to force it, I just do it when my energy feels okay with doing that. I do keep an altar and I try to refresh it and, you know, be intentional with what I put on that. Other than that, I do enjoy doing like a tarot pull. I don't do that super consistently, but I do it when I'm thinking of it and when I might need a little more clarity on a situation. Yeah, and just the magic in learning. I just love to learn about all of the little things that we can do with our energies and with witchcraft, especially like astrology. I kind of nerded out about that pretty hard. Thanks to Theresa.

Grandpa: 10:44

What would you say is the biggest motivator in your practice? Has it changed since you first started, and contrast it with your biggest struggle.

Lindsay: 10:56

I feel like the biggest motivator in my practice, especially recently maybe not so much so when I first started, is just being able to take the time and sit and be present in my body, becoming very aware of, like, how often I disassociate and I feel like it's ridiculous. Witchcraft just reminds me to like slow the fuck down because I'm doing and just like kind of sit with myself. I yeah, that's something that I've struggled with for a long time and I love that about witchcraft. I almost think of it as like as a whole, just an act of self-care for myself, a whole, just an act of self-care for myself. That's been I feel like that's been the biggest motivator, because I do struggle with…

Lindsay: 12:11

I think the biggest struggle with my practice is consistency, obviously, and I had a really hard time with the lack of structure in the beginning, and I can thank my Virgo and Capricorn placements for that, because I I do crave a little bit of structure as much as I want to just like be a free spirit and yeah, I like I do.

Lindsay: 12:40

I, you know it's a common theme with my business and learning how to find structure there but also work for myself. That has been a big struggle when I first started, I was pretty excited about that aspect of being a witch. Like ooh, it's a choose your own adventure, you know. And then I like very quickly became overwhelmed by choice and like where to start and I was scared I was going to do something wrong because, you know, thanks, religious trauma and being afraid I was going to do something and curse my entire family or, like you know, just stupid shit like that. And now I just do what feels right in my body and I've just really had to let go of that and know that I can just kind of dip my toes in here and if that doesn't feel good, maybe try something else.

Grandpa: 14:10

What is something you wish more people would ask you about?

Lindsay: 14:11

Oh, I had to really sit with this one and honestly I just want to talk about like really deep and personal shit, like I know.

Grandpa: 14:27

Tell me about your childhood trauma. Let's talk about how we can help you to get through it. Or just come to Anahata’s, because that's what we do.

Lindsay: 14:36

Exactly, I love that. I feel like when you first meet people, that can be a scary thing to do because you know questions like that could be really triggering for some people. So I feel like people stick with the safe questions and I just yeah, I love. I love digging deep with people and, like you know, I do also wish that I got to talk about my sobriety a little bit more. I feel like that's another subject that people kind of skate around. I don't want to poke anything there, but I love talking about it. It's a thing I'm very proud of that I never thought I could do. I've been sober now for a year and seven months. If I asked that person, like two years ago, if I thought I could do that, but I never thought I would be able to. So it's… yeah, if I can share my story and help somebody else that might be dealing with that.

Grandpa: 15:40

That's's cool that's, I think, part of the issue with talking about sobriety. At least one small part is that the groups for it all end with anonymous, like it's something that you're supposed to hide. 

Lindsay: 15:59

Yes, exactly. Yeah, it's. It's something you should…

Grandpa: 16:03

We should be ashamed. 

Lindsay: 16:05

Yeah, it's crazy Like something to be proud of, and yeah it's. I definitely feel the shame of thing. You know mistakes I made in the past, but like that's a part of me too and if I really want people to know me, they have to know that part of me.

Grandpa: 16:27

What a good thing. Good for you, good for us. I need to think that way too. What would you say is your favorite tool? And it doesn't have to be a physical thing, it can be like a song or some smell or whatever.

Lindsay: 16:45

So I have a couple of things for this. So a non-physical thing lately therapy, like 1000% therapy. Nothing has made me me feel more connected to myself than sitting and like just talking about like all of my things and learning how to have the right coping mechanisms to deal with those things. I feel like it's I'm getting to know myself better and I lost sight of that for such a long time and I let my trauma and fear just dictate so much of my life. And now I'm getting a chance to unpack all of that and slow the fuck down and reflect and actually clear my head and that in turn, is giving me clearer focus for my practice.

Lindsay: 17:45

Again, I'm just like leaning hard into the self-care era right now. I just I need that more than anything, I think, and we all do. I think it's something that we neglect so much. It's hard, it's easy to say self-care, but to actually do it and do the work and make time for it, that's a whole nother thing. And I think, physically, I really love my tarot and crystals and like I just you know I work with crystals so often and I love to use them in little ways throughout my day often, and I love to use them in little ways throughout my day. And another non-physical thing I had I forgot about this one was releasing energy through movement and music. I love music. That's like, oh, it feels so good. Like last night I was feeling pretty anxious and I so okay, I'm going to rabbit trail like four times. I'm sorry, this is the way my brain processes things.

Grandpa: 18:51

That's the way this podcast always goes. That's why I say give us two hours Right.

Lindsay: 19:00

So I, in January I signed up for adult dance classes and so I danced when I was a kid. I danced from this time I was like 10 years old until I was like 17 or 18. And it was a big part of my life. It kind of shaped my whole childhood. I had a whole group of people and we all grew up dancing together.

Lindsay: 19:27

And to let go of that as an adult because I was on my own and I couldn't afford to pay for classes that was really hard. And I'm finally in a place now where I can afford that and I can do that for myself and I'm 34 years old and my joints are creaky and things don't work the way they used to. But it has been like the most beautiful thing that I've done for myself Probably I don't even know how long like it's… , I feel like connected in my body again. I feel grounded. Every time I walk out of a class I'm just grinning like a fool. It's been really beautiful and I'm really excited to see where that journey takes me. I love that.

Grandpa: 20:16

Dance is really important in Hive House. Really, we dance every Thursday. We dance for Jupiter and ask him to bless us with prosperity and joy.

Lindsay: 20:29

I love that. That's fabulous.

Grandpa: 20:36

What is something you wish was discussed more in the magical community?

Lindsay: 20:39

I know that podcasts like yours and WBAH definitely make a platform for this, but I wish more people talked about the beginning stages of their practice, like how they got started, so they could help people like… like me, when I was a baby witch, like who was overwhelmed by choice, like I know there's no handbook for it, so it's like, ah, I don't know what to do.

Lindsay: 21:14

So I just wish that was normalized just talking about where I started, where I went wrong, what didn't work for me, and just hearing that so other witches can become inspired by that. I feel like you hear a lot about how long people have been practicing or their area of expertise and all of that, but you don't hear a lot about the bumps in the road and I just I love that. I love hearing about those things. I feel like it helps us all grow and that's honestly what drew me into WBAH. Like they very much from the beginning were like, hey, we are amateurs and we don't know what we're talking about, but here's this and like I love that Exactly, like you can learn along with them, and it felt so. I tried out a couple of other witchcraft podcasts when I was kind of first getting into that and none of them really resonated the same because of that fact alone, really.

Grandpa: 22:21

Yeah. And just telling someone to do your own research and figure out google is not helpful. 

Lindsay: 22:35

No, it’s not. We're like uh, google's big.

Grandpa: 22:37

If you don't even know what questions to ask, how are you going to Google it Exactly?

Lindsay: 22:43

Yeah, that's way too overwhelming.

Grandpa: 22:49

What steps have you taken to build community near you and do you have resources to share?

Lindsay: 22:57

So I think the biggest way I've taken, or the biggest steps that I've taken, to build community are honestly like running workshops here in my city for The Rusted Rabbit.

Lindsay: 23:13

We've been like teaching wire wrapping workshops and things like that and I feel like that's a great way to bring people together that have similar interests and, like usually we kind of keep it slow pace so people can chit chat amongst themselves and get to know the other people in the class and that's been really fun.

Lindsay: 23:37

And also I take classes and meet people like I'm trying to put myself out there in those other communities so we can kind of come together as a whole. We do so many events I think we're usually somewhere at least every weekend, with a few weekends off here and there and we just really try to connect with the people that come up to our booths, getting to actually know them and giving them a safe space to chill out if they need it, because events are crazy and sometimes it's overwhelming to be in a sea of people. If they need it because events are crazy and sometimes it's overwhelming to be in a sea of people and will our little like our people find us and they we try to give them that space to like, if they need to just hang out and talk to us for a while, we're here. Also, if you just want to like look around and you don't want me to talk to you, that's fine too. I'm totally okay with that.

Grandpa: 24:38

I'm like, please don't ask me questions.

Lindsay: 24:43

Please don't ask me questions. I know it's, it's terrible Cause, like, as somebody that runs a booth, I you know I try to get into my element and make people feel like welcome. So I it's like that retail mindset I can't break out of, like hi, how you doing, like come on in, kind of thing. And when I'm on the other side and I'm shopping other people's booths, I'm like don't talk to me, Don't talk to me, don't talk to me. It's terrible.

Grandpa: 25:12

I started telling people hey, you can come in, I don't, I'm not going to push you to buy anything, I just am standing here, you can touch stuff. I'm not gonna say oh my god, that looks so good on you.

Lindsay: 25:25

Yeah, unless people get real weird about that. So fit, so fast, like even just sometimes just saying hi, people will be like oh, nope, bye, like I'm not coming in here, and I I'm like, I get it, I get it, do you? These things are overstimulating. And I'm sure five other booths said the same thing to you and yeah.

Grandpa: 25:49

Okay, think about your three biggest influences, whether it's people or books or whatever. It doesn't have to be an actual person, but think about how they have affected your practice and thank them for that.

Lindsay: 26:04

So I'm going to start with my ancestors. Like actually getting to know more about them, and learning that my great-grandma Brown was a spiritualist was really eye-opening for me, especially when I got down this witchcraft path. Do you mind if I tell a little story amidst this?

Grandpa: 26:34

I want all my guests to tell little stories in all my interviews.

Lindsay: 26:43

So my, my great grandma Brown, I, like years ago I think maybe at this point, maybe 15 years ago, way before I even thought about witchcraft or anything like that I had a dream. I was having a very, very vivid dream which is pretty like that's a pretty regular occurrence for me, which is a whole nother topic that I really need to explore a little bit, but I, everything was like super vivid and it was in black and white, which was not normal for me. I don't usually dream in black and white and I was like I was venturing down a hallway and just started kind of floating down the hallway and got shifted into a room and my great grandma Brown was sitting at a desk and she was just like I could see every wrinkle line in her face, everything, and like everything was just so detailed. And she told me something and it felt like really profound in the moment, like I think I even cried in the dream, like I it was something I really needed to hear. And then I woke up and I could not remember what she told me and it was so frustrating and I was like that felt so real, it felt so strange and I ended up talking to my grandma about it, because that was her grandmother or her mother, I'm sorry. And that's when she told me that she was a spiritualist back in the day and she, like, was a medium and she contacted the dead and all of these things. And I was like whoa, excuse me, what now? Like this was something that was not talked about in my family. Everybody was pretty Christian and I think that was just a weird thing that nobody talked about and avoided. And that's when I found that out.

Lindsay: 28:53

And years later, that's when I started talking. I wanted to learn more about it, like you know. So I I reached out to my grandma and she's a pretty open-minded person for being I think she's 92 years old now. She's a very loving, open person who identifies as a Christian, and I feel like I can talk to her about anything. And she I wanted to learn more about her history and what Grandma Brown practiced, cause you know there's a lot of like, like shady stuff around the spiritualist community, especially back then, like there was the Fox sisters that that were just complete frauds and scammers. There's just a whole history on that. That is kind of shady. I found out that she was a medium and she read tea leaves, which I thought was really cool. It's something that I want to learn and I really want to try to work with her and connect with her to see if I can learn some of those things from her. But just learning about that, that has been such a big influence on my practice and guiding me in certain directions. That's cool. She seemed like a really cool lady. I really only briefly met her when she was in a nursing home and I think at that point she had dementia and couldn't really remember much, but she seemed like a pretty cool human.

Lindsay: 30:37

But yeah, besides that, that, I think the other two for me are honestly my business, like I've talked about. I really didn't do a deep dive into this stuff until I started my business and started working with crystals and it's kind of what got me interested in everything in general and led me down that path. So I'm grateful that I ended up going in that direction. Um, and, of course, my podcasting favies, like, like you, of course, and Two Geminis and a Leo and, of course, WBAH. like that, and the whole community, everybody, a part of the community within those three podcasts, like everybody is just so willing and open to share their knowledge and has been so welcoming from the beginning and, just yeah, one of the best communities I've ever been a part of and I'm so grateful for that. It's been really healing to be a part of it that makes me happy.

Grandpa: 31:52

Yay! Do you have advice for new witches?

Lindsay: 32:00

Don't listen to the people telling you that it has to be done a certain way. You create your own path and do what feels right and don't be afraid to ask questions just because you're new, like I think that held me back for a long time because I didn't want to be seen as a newbie. I was like, oh you know, they can't know I'm new to this and like, don't let that fear of being the new person hold you back from asking the right questions and learning more. Um, also, fucking, buy yourself the prettiest, juiciest tarot deck that you can find, because don't fall into the  it has to be gifted to you. I fell victim to that and kept the same shitty deck for so long that I did not connect with Because I thought that was how it had to be done and that's bullshit. Buy yourself the deck that feels good.

Grandpa: 33:06

If people are making you feel bad for being new and not knowing things, then you shouldn't be asking. I wouldn't want to know what they have to say. They're not the right person for me to be talking to. No.

Lindsay: 33:20

It took a lot of years to realize that. I think for myself like it's, it's kind of fucked up, but yeah, that's true.

Grandpa: 33:32

So now that you've been on the show and I know you've heard the show before, who do you think I should have on the show? 

Lindsay: 33:39

Oh god, this… Okay, I had a really hard time with this because I have like a whole list of people and I might just have to send you those.

Lindsay: 33:46

but I'm just going to cover no, like there's just so many people that have been such a big influence. I mean, you know, besides the ones I already mentioned, but like my. So my friend Steph, she was the first one that came to mind. She is just a fucking peach. She is wonderful, she. Every time I talk to her I learn something new.

Lindsay: 34:14

She's so she's a yoga instructor and she also owns two food trucks, so you guys can nerd out about food, which I know you love, and she makes amazing food. And she's also an herbalist and she is very knowledgeable on her herbs. Like I. I love going on forest walks with her because she will just like she's one of those people that will like point to something and just know, like, hey, this is this herb and I'm going to tell you like 14 things about it and it's just so cool, like, like, that's awesome. And she's also just been such a big cheerleader for mike and I. Like she's always so encouraging and I keep on trying to talk her into coming to Anahata's, but she has a very busy life and it's very hard for her to do that. But hopefully one of these years she'll come. She's also a bean, but okay. So besides Steph, have you had Kay Biddix on the show?

Grandpa: 35:27

 No.

Lindsay: 35:28

You should have her because she, she's just lovely. I love her so much.

Grandpa: 35:30

She runs that thing in Arkansas?

Lindsay: 35:33

Arkansas. Yeah, Harmony in the Hollow, although I guess they're not moving forward with that. I guess it's kind of a bummer, but where they're at, they're choosing safety right now.

Grandpa: 35:48

Yeah, I was going to say, isn't that kind of a red area?

Lindsay: 35:52

Yes, it's very dicey, very scary. I'm scared for her right now, but she's just a wonderful person. She is one of my soul sisters. I'm so happy that I met her through all of this, the whole community. I love her so much. That's awesome also. So my friend Debbie. She's a therapist and a witch, which I think could be a really cool perspective, and she's also just an open book, like she will talk about anything she would be fun to have on the podcast. But I have, like I have a list of people, so I'll send that to you afterward.

Grandpa: 36:46

Yay, thank you. 

Lindsay: 36:47

You're welcome.

Grandpa: 36:50

Is that question really a ploy for me to get suggestions for guests? Hell, yes it is, yeah, I own it. Is there anything else that you wanted to bring up? Anything I didn't ask that you wanted to talk about, or any questions you have for me, or anything going on with you and your business? 

Lindsay: 37:06

Yeah, if you’re in the area and you want to come see us in person, if you want to come visit the Rusted Rabbit booth, you can check out our event schedule on our website, which again is www.therustedrabbitgr.com, and you can come say hi to us and just chill with us for a little bit. We also we tend to have more in person than we do on our website, because I'm terrible at keeping up on our website. Website maintenance is not fun, it really isn't. That whole side of this business has been a journey. But I am going to run a little special for the bees and for the podcast listeners. If you enter the code GRANDPA, you can get 15% off.

Grandpa: 38:01

So many listeners don't know what you're talking about now.

Lindsay: 38:06

Just trust us. It's fine. We also, we've been doing live sales, which is really fucking awkward, but come hang out with us for it. We have fun. We make sound effects whenever somebody makes a, whenever somebody claims an item, you get a special sound effect, and that's always fun. We always run sales and stuff for those. Just we usually do a giveaway at the end of it for a gift card for our website, so you can check out our event schedule to see when we're doing live sales on Facebook and Instagram. But yeah, basically I think that's about it. Oh yeah, and I forgot already, but we're doing subscription boxes now.

Lindsay: 38:58

You can get a piece of jewelry that is tailored to your interests delivered to you once a month, and we have three different box options, my favorite honestly being the ear of the rabbit box, because I'm an earring girly and I will take all of the crazy earrings I can get and that one is fun. You usually get like anywhere from two to four pairs of earrings, depending on the style of earrings that you prefer. But yeah, you can check out all of that on our website. I think we're going to be running a sale on those sometime soon where you can get your first box for 50% off too. So that's fun and yeah, that's about it. As far as business stuff I have going on, I do have a question for you.

Grandpa: 39:49

Okay, how dare you, even though I specifically said you could. 

Lindsay: 39:59

I'm very curious. If, so if you could podcast about any other topic, what would it be like? What would you like to nerd out about? 

Grandpa: 40:06

Snacks.

Lindsay: 40:10

Yeah, I love that. I would listen to that podcast.

Grandpa: 40:16

If I could travel the country and try and sample barbecue all over the country, that would be a dream.

Lindsay: 40:25

Oh my God, Anthony Bourdain style!

Grandpa: 40:27

 Right, Exactly.

Lindsay: 40:29

 RIP. Beautiful human, that would be magical. We miss you. Uncle Anthony, we do. I had a really sexual dream about him once.

Grandpa: 40:38

Oh me too!

Lindsay: 40:40

Yeah. It was really weird, it was unexpected. Yeah, wow, he was a hottie man. He really was. Uh, yeah, wow, I can't believe. I just shared that, just kind of fell out of my mouth. I was a little bit surprised. You just got me opening up, man.

Grandpa: 41:14

It's what I do. Okay so the last two things that I ask of guests: thing number one is recommend something to the listeners. It doesn't have to be magical in any way, just whatever you are into this week, tell us about it.

Lindsay: 41:32

Okay, so I'm really obsessed with the show Severance right now. If you're not watching that show, please just do yourself a favor and watch that show, because it will blow your mind hole. It's amazing. Also, what network is it? So it's on Apple TV, but I believe they have the first season for free on the Roku channel. So if you have a Roku, you can just watch it for free. Yeah, it's, oh my God, it's so good. But also, if you, if you were a dancer in a former life, as you as a child or whatever get back into it, do it, do yourself a favor. If you are able, go to a dance class, it'll reawaken something in you. It feels really good.

Grandpa: 42:28

Seconded.

Lindsay: 42:30

 Hell yeah, oh my God, if I could. I think one of my favorite interviews you did was with Amy Sigil, and if I could take one of her classes I would pass out.

Grandpa: 42:45

You probably would, because she's a lot. Seriously. Like physically.

Lindsay: 42:53

 it looks like it. Oh my God, incredible.

Grandpa: 42:52

Amy is one of my favorite people, Just period.

Lindsay: 42:57

So cool, so fucking cool.

Grandpa: 43:02

And the last thing is please tell me a story.

Lindsay: 43:08

So I have a story that from when I was a child, that if you were to meet my family, this is the story they would tell you about me.

Grandpa: 43:18

This is my favorite kind of thing I love these stories.

Lindsay: 43:26

So I was. I had to have been about five years old. We were as a family. I have four brothers and sisters. We're a big family and we all gathered in my grandparents' little tiny trailer and the energy felt a bit weird. I remember that I was just like sitting at the counter coloring and my grandparents had gathered us there to tell us that my grandpa had cancer and my family is. They're very, they don't communicate well, they uh, they just it just got very awkward. I remember that even as a five-year-old I could still feel how awkward the room felt and they didn't know how to respond. Everybody was feeling sadness, just don't know what to say in that moment. And there was a really long pause afterwards where everybody was just kind of quiet and processing the information that they were just told. Everybody was just kind of quiet and processing the information that they were just told and little five-year-old me just shouts who has cancer? Raise their hand!

Grandpa: 44:52

Oh my god, oh children, why are you? 

Lindsay: 44:53

And my grandpa was such a sport, and he raised his hand. 

Grandpa: 44:59

Oh my god, oh oh my god, good for granddad yeah, be granddad. (laughter)

Lindsay: 45:31

oh gosh, he was a pretty cool human. I think that was also the start of my dark sense of humor.

Grandpa: 45:43

Oh my god, that's fucking amazing.

Lindsay: 45:54

Oh yeah, that's fucking amazing.

Grandpa: 45:56

Oh yeah, I was a crazy child holy moly, that was absolutely unexpected, okay, well, thank you so much for being on the show and for sharing that amazing story. 

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Lindsay: 46:20

Thank you for having me. It was a pleasure. It was really nice. I appreciate it. I’ve been looking forward to it.

Grandpa: 46:23

Oh good!So, everybody, go down and click the link below, be sure to get over and get you. Go subscribe y'all, go subscribe and get y'all some earrings and a cool wire wrapped crystal or two, and that's it. I am back on instagram now after a lovely hiatus, so go check everybody out over there and I'll see you around, okay, bye!

Lindsay: 46:53

Bye. 

Grandpa: 46:54

Okay now, Lindsay, I would like you to craft a spell with me. 

Lindsay: 46:56

Oh, this is exciting. 

Grandpa: 47:01

I don't know how you work, but here's how I work. I figure out what I need to do/figure out what my intention is, and then I just collect crap to make it happen.

Lindsay: 47:14

Yeah, that's about how I do it Okay.

Grandpa: 47:20

I meant to print out some cards so I could just shuffle through and pick out an intention for us to work out on, but I forgot, so let's just make one up. So it's spring coming up on spring. It's spring here. It's spring, I'm gonna call it spring. Okay, we're good. So we could work on new beginnings or like new life coming in. Or we could work on protection, because we live in a fucking shit show. Or we could work on building community. [fades out]

Grandpa: 47:54

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