Exploring Witchcraft, Spirituality, and Personal Evolution with CE McCann

CE McCann, an author and witch with deep roots in spiritual practices, lends her voice to an intriguing exploration of witchcraft and spirituality. Fascinated by her lineage, which traces back to the legendary Hannibal Barca, CE shares her unique blend of ceremonial magic and traditional Germanic paganism. Listeners will be captivated by her unconventional daily rituals, from intentional showering to the mindful stirring of coffee, as well as her gratitude practice inspired by ancient sagas. CE's insights provide a fresh perspective on meditation, dream work, and the liberating realization that we are not bound by the constraints of original sin.

Throughout this episode, we unravel the profound influence of witchcraft and pagan beliefs on personal evolution and freedom. CE recounts her journey through various spiritual paths, touching on her experiences with shadow work and the transformative impact of embracing one's imperfections. The discussion extends to family dynamics in spiritual practices, the importance of connecting children with nature, and overcoming the challenges of finding a supportive community. Together, we navigate the intricacies of traditional Germanic pagan ceremonies, such as baby naming rituals, offering insights into the significance of these traditions.

In the modern landscape of witchcraft, CE addresses the challenge of maintaining creativity amidst the digital noise of social media platforms like TikTok. She emphasizes the importance of stepping back to preserve mental health and creativity, while expressing gratitude to influential figures like her husband, the song "Ymir" by Danheim, and the god Odin. This conversation also delves into the critical need for proper research amidst a sea of misinformation, guiding newcomers to explore diverse resources. As the episode concludes, listeners are treated to intriguing tales of occult experiences and recommendations for enriching their spiritual journey through literature and nature.

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Chapters

• 0:04 Witchcraft and Spirituality With CE McCann
• 5:40 Personal Evolution Through Witchcraft
• 15:04 [Ad] Clairvoyaging
• 15:54 (Cont.) Personal Evolution Through Witchcraft
• 19:24 Navigating Witchcraft in Contemporary Society
• 27:07 Connection Through Occult Experiences
• 37:59 Connecting With Your Average Witch Podcast

Transcript

Kim: 0:04

Welcome back to Your Average Witch, where every Tuesday we talk about witch life, witch stories, and sometimes a little witchcraft. Your Average Witch is brought to you by Crepuscular Conjuration. In this episode I'm talking to CE McCann, an author and witch in Arizona. We talked about blood, Catholicism, and getting off social media. Before we get started, I want to invite you to the grand reopening of the Ninth House! From Thursday October 31st to Sunday November 2nd, come to the All Souls Celebration to welcome the new owners of the Ninth House here in Tucson. I’ll actually be vending there on Friday, November 1, from noon to 5. I’ll have spell kits, simmer blends, flower presses, and of course, I’ll have one of the Stevie Nicks Full Moon & Stars necklaces with me! If you haven’t been keeping up with grandpa, Stevie Nicks wore a necklace I made in her newest music video for The Lighthouse,  and she wore it again over the weekend for her Saturday Night Live appearance! The necklace is currently out of stock because I’m waiting on a shipment of silver sheet and some more stones, but once I get the current orders out, I’ll let everyone know! The first notifications will happen in the Monthly Magic Marco Polo group. Then I’ll tell all my Witchy Wonderment subscribers, and then everyone on social media will get their chance. And now, after all that-  let's get to the stories!  Hello C, welcome to the show!

CE: 0:48

Hi, thank you for having me, I’m excited!

Kim: 0:51

Thanks for being here. I am too. Can you please introduce yourself and let everybody know who you are and what you do and where they can find you?

CE: 1:10

Absolutely. So my author name is CE McCann, mc and then a, capital, c, a and n. I'm on facebook and X. I am an author, I am self-published and traditionally published. I have two self-published books out and then traditionally published one that'll be out in a couple months. I'm an author, I'm a heathen, I a witch, a little bit of everything, but yeah, that's who I am.

Kim: 1:28

Cool. So what does it mean when you call yourself a witch?

CE: 1:38

So for me, I'd say, like it's a lot about recreating the macrocosm on the microcosm. So trying to match the above on the below, doing what works, following what I know, fixing my cough with garlic, honey and ginger rather than Dayquil, and then, you know, teaching my family and my children to respect and honor the earth and the gods, and then a whole lot of necromancy. 

Kim: 2:03

Okay would you say you have any family history with witchcraft, or what was your spiritual upbringing like when you were a kid?

CE: 2:23

So that's actually pretty interesting. So I kind of, my mom and I talked about it recently. She has this insane intuition that like is never wrong, like the woman knows everything, like if when I was a teenager and I was like, hey, I met this new person and they're doing this, this and this, and she's like that person's gonna fuck you over, it's going to happen. I know it and then it would happen and I'd be like no damn it. And then I'm also a descendant of a man named Hannibal Barca. We all learned about him in like history class. I don't know if that's like a common thing to learn about in history class, but he was a military strategist. He fought the Romans by crossing the Alps on elephants. So he wasn't Christian, he was pagan, the Punic religion of the time. He's the one that made that quote. I will either find a way or make one. There's actually an album by the band Ex Deo about him and that kind of pushed me into paganism, really finding out about him, rather than other religions, because I was interested in Satanism at first, theistic Satanism, but then I found him and I was like, oh, paganism is pretty cool and kind of spiraled from there.

Kim: 3:40

So can you introduce us to your practice? Do you have any consistent, or maybe even daily things that you do?

CE: 3:55

Like I don't really know what I would really call it, because it's not the way that typically, you know, modern Germanic or Norse polytheism is practiced. I do a lot of things that are based in ceremonial magic and then so I mean to be as close to traditional like by the book paganism from Germany as I can, but there's still some, you know, odd man out kind of practices. But as far as consistent daily practices, I shower with intention. My husband and I both do. So like cleansing in the shower. Coffee and tea is being stirred with intention. We do this thing called hail the day. It's from the Volsung saga. Essentially it's just being thankful for the day and the night and good things, and then meditation and dream work. I do a lot of meditation and dream work basically every day.

Kim: 5:03

We'd probably be happier if everybody hailed the day. 

CE: 5:12

Right, it's such a cool practice, like it's, it's a lot like, if you're familiar with like library rushes, from Thelema. It's a little similar to that in my opinion. That's how I kind of do it, except I'm not getting up at midnight to do a bunch of weird hand motions like in Thelema. Not that Thelema's weird, but you know what I mean but morning and night, hailing the day, hailing the night, just being excited and like new opportunities and I'm alive again. That's cool.

Kim: 5:40

How would you say witchcraft has changed your life?

CE: 5:44

In a few different ways actually. So I found other religions, like started not being, you know, the typical monotheist when I was around 11 or 12. My mom was super supportive and she was like, yeah, dude, whatever you want to do. So I found Anton LaVey immediately and she was supportive of that. So I kind of like skipped around a little bit. Then I found theistic Satanism, I found Crowley and I kind of like went off from there, Right. So I had a little spat with Catholicism later on. So I think that the biggest thing like learning about both paganism different kinds of spirituality and then the Abrahamic religions, is that I'm not born sinful. I think that's one of the biggest things that changed for me is that I'm not born sinful. My gods have better things to worry about than if I'm using the earth to heal myself or having weird sex and talking to dead relatives. I think that my gods have a lot, a lot bigger things to worry about than that. And then shadow work. Shadow work has completely changed my life. I'm not as big of a piece of shit as I used to be, so that's helped.

Kim: 7:01

The concept of a baby not being innocent is pretty fucking wild. And by wild I mean stupid.

CE: 7:13

I mean, isn't it that that whole thing…  big agree, big agree, I really do, and I know it's kind of like the typical pagan thing to say is that like, well, it's just a method of controlling people? But I feel like it really is because I mean, like you look at like the concept of hell and the abrahamic religions and it's like in Bible, it's based off of that place, Gehenna, which was a physical place where they burnt garbage and they're like, yeah, you're going to go there and you're going to stay there when you die, because you looked at someone's ankles. Oh no, I think that's ridiculous.

Kim: 7:37

Here's the thing If I'm born with it, if there's nothing I can do to help it, why should I bother? I'm just going to fucking go with it.

CE: 7:47

Exactly and I agree completely. I think that even from a Christian standpoint, they say that their God makes no mistakes. Not that I'm shitting on Christians I mean I don't actually mind them, I don't mind Catholicism, people that are serious about it but I think that if your God makes no mistakes and he made you a certain way, then I mean I'm not understanding the logic there.

Kim: 8:13

Could you mean gay?

CE: 8:18

That's another thing. Why is their God so concerned over what people are doing with their genitals? Why is that his deal? You know? Forget childhood cancer. I don't like that. That person wants to do this with their body part. That's just so weird to me. So weird, I don’t understand it.

Kim: 8:38

Or maybe a giant, you know, murderous hurricane.

CE: 8:44

Yeah, yeah, no, that's, that's fine. That's fine as long as long as they're not being gay. So yeah.

Kim: 8:50

What would you say is the biggest motivator in your practice?

CE: 8:59

Spite. No, I'm just kidding. Above all my, I'd say I want my kids to grow up knowing what plants they can touch and which ones they can't, what spirits they can talk to and which ones they should probably leave alone. And then when I die, when my husband dies, I want them to be able to call on us after for guidance. So I think that those really my family is the biggest thing, but also the incessant need to be better and do better. So a lot of it's through shadow work. So just being a better human and working on my ridiculous God complex because I have a horrible one and it's I've got it mostly in check now, but working on that consistently and trying to be a better human.

Kim: 9:49

What is your biggest struggle when it comes to witchcraft?

CE: 9:57

This sounds really douchey and I don't mean it to, but finding people to bounce ideas off of that aren't willfully stupid. That sounds so. That sounds so rude, but like it feels like a lot of people kind of want to be spoon fed everything and like I've been doing this for over 20 years, I don't have time to spoon feed people, which and I'm fine answering questions and doing things like that but like do the work and then like have having someone to talk to, that's also done the work. That's that's really hard, and I don't mean ignorant or like not knowing something, but actually willfully dumb.

Kim: 10:35

Do you ever have imposter syndrome? And if you do, what do you do about it?

CE: 10:42

So not as much anymore. Honestly, the biggest spat that I had with that when I was larping as a catholic. So I was baptized Roman Catholic as a baby and another I was listening. I've been pagan my whole life. I know, dude, okay, so I know. So it's, it's interesting. I'll get back to the question in a second, but I'll I'll like squish this in there. It's interesting because in my religion, which I'm a Germanic pagan for the most part, there is a ceremony that you do with babies name giving and then, it's like a, it's called, it's called like vatniausa and like, it's kind of like it means like sprinkling of water, so it's kind of like that. But really the whole thing is like the mother presents the baby to the father and says, like you know, this is my child, this is what it's named, and everyone's like hell, yeah. And then they get teething gifts, which are it's essentially a baby shower really, but they like it's actually in the lore too. Frey is given where he lives as a teething gift. So it's an interesting thing and it's always funny to wonder which one comes first, but I feel like the Christian one is kind of more of a along that same lines as like, ok, now we own your child, but but yes, imposter syndrome. Oh yeah, when I was, I had my little spell with Catholicism. I just didn't feel like me. I liked the priest that I met with later on in life. His name was Father Dan Camp Schneider. He was really nice. He did not like my occult tattoos. I had this big sigil of Baal on my foot and a huge hammer on my back, a Mjolnir, and he was like you need to get those removed. And I was like that's probably not going to happen. I paid a lot of money for those. But yeah, that I think. I felt like it wasn't mean. It felt like I was pretending to be something I'm not. And then, as soon as I went back to paganism and witchcraft, I was like okay, I'm home, I'm good.

Kim: 12:55

Why do they care what your skin looks like, also?

CE: 12:57

and they say that they don't. They say that they don't, but I don't know like it's also, I don't know. I think I, I think I was, I think I put him off anyway, because I'm pretty much covered from my neck down in tattoos and I have huge stretched ears. And he was like okay, and you're a Catholic. And I was like yeah, actually no thank you. It was interesting, though, like I'm glad I did it because I learned so much. I learned so much about the Abrahamic religions, I learned about Catholicism. I learned a lot of Latin, so I'm glad I did it. It was. There is value in what I did, I guess, but it's just, it's not me, you know. Even though I hate it, we probably find value in everything that happens to us, or could.

Absolutely, absolutely, and in every bit of like. I think in every religion and I'm not like an omnist or whatever, but I think that in every religion there is, you know, a kernel of knowledge that's there, there's something there that you can take from it and be like, okay, this is a really cool practice, or this is a really cool bit of information. Even the Bible, like there's, there's a ton of places in the Bible with like, if you look at it as like an alchemical text or just a spiritual text, like, hey, that's some nice. I think there's a lot of ways in there. Yeah, yeah, like, what is it in? Uh, is it proverbs? I can't remember where they bash the babies against the rocks? Like, yeah, that's a great book, but sorry, that's, that's, that's kind of fucked up. 

Kim: 14:48

Speaking of that, what brings you the most joy in your practice? 

CE: 14:50

Honestly, some of the biggest ones are my things that I do in dream work. Being able to see my dead grandparents in my dreams and hear them laugh was I cried for days after that. I'm a crier anyway, I cry a lot, but that was one of the biggest highlights of my entire practice was being able to do that. Seeing my kid wear a Mjolnir and know what it, what it is and why she wears it. And then, like when I write something and someone says, like hey, this part helped me with this, or like hey, I read this part in your book and it, like it, really changed my perspective on this, like those of things you know, yeah, I love that. 

Kim: 15:41

Me too. What is something you did early on in your practice that you don't do anymore, and why don't you?

CE: 15:48

Trying to correct people who are committed to to like being, not listening. I think, I think most things change and grow as we do, but I I've gotten to the point now where I'm like, if you're, if you're not going to listen, then I'm not going to try and correct it anymore. And I think a lot of that stems from my weird God complex again. And I've kind of let go a lot of that and be like I don't need to be right all the time, I don't need to correct everything. I don't need to like, you know, I don't need to do all that. So I think that doing that is exhausting, and it's so nice when you realize I don't have to make you see anything.

Kim: 16:25

I don't care if you understand me or not. Click. It's great. What is your favorite tool? It doesn't have to be a physical object. It can be like a song or a smell or a theory you heard once. How do you use it in your practice?

CE: 16:54

 I think my favorite tool would be really my runes, my rune sets. So I have a, I have a few different sets that I've I've made, and my favorite one is, so we have a lot of rattlesnakes here and I know it sounds kind of douchey but like if a diamondback is coming near my house I'm going to dispatch it, but I'm not going to let it go to waste. So I make things out of them and most of my runesets are either have, there's diamondback or sidewinder. I use blood a lot in my practice. So I have rune sets that are made with goat blood, rattlesnake blood, my blood, pig blood, but my favorite set has mine and diamondback rattlesnake and then it's stained. So it's a very pretty set. It's made with Black Walnut. It's a really pretty rune set. I've never gotten a bad answer out of it. It's always super accurate. So I think that particular rune set and then blood.

Kim: 18:05

I actually just put blood in a spell kit today. Yeah yeah, there was this rooster who was just a raging asshole and he kept attacking us. So I mean we ate him, but I used, I kept some of the blood for, like, protection and aggression spells. How do you pull yourself out of a magical slump?

CE: 18:35

Get off social media. That is one of the biggest like problems for me. Like I got rid of TikTok because of this. Like I, I really really really hate social media and it's kind of like it kind of sucks because, like you, can't you really need it now, especially like as an author, and I have like little side business selling runes to our rune sets and stuff. So it's hard not to be on social media but, like I, really it really brings me down. Like I become someone that I don't want to be. I'm angry if I'm on social media a lot and like I just I can't do it. So getting off of that and doing like a social media cleanse, and then giving an offering to the gods for inspiration that always helps me. Like if I'm, if I'm really down and I can't figure out anything, I'll give an offering to Odin and ask for inspiration, that tends to work.

Kim: 19:29

So what is something you wish was discussed more in the witch community?

CE: 19:36

Terminology. And then what is a good source of information rather than someone's opinion. I think that is like one of the biggest downfalls to witchcraft and contemporary society. Whatever is those issues and you see it a lot with social media and again, I know I bitch about social media all the time, but I think that that is one of the biggest problems is that people get on there and they one confuse terminology, they confuse practices or they mix it all together like everything is witchcraft or everything is satanism or everything is you know what. You know what I mean. And then a source of information is not tiktok. I'm Like it's not TikTok. Granted books sometimes aren't either.

Like you shouldn't trust any book, you shouldn't trust my books without like doing background research and like comparing and contrasting it to other sources. Believe everything that they hear, and if it's a viral video, then obviously it's true and that's not the case, and that that ends up spreading more information. Like you hear some of the most. And like there's nothing wrong with UPG. There's nothing wrong with having your own feelings on things, but like when you're trying to change fact to match your opinion. I don't like that when it comes to sources and lore and history. Anyway, I don't like that like, do whatever you want, like do as thou wilt or whatever you know, whatever Crowley said, something about butt stuff, I'm sure Crowley said, but anyway, but, like you know, you know research the lore and know facts before you make educated guesses and opinions on it, and then half of the problems and the debates that we have won't be a thing. We will have to debate these little things that you know. I was having these conversations 20 years ago that we're having again now. It just feels like one big circle jerk, because nobody reads or researches. I, I think that's and rant, that's my, that's my problem. 

Kim: 21:36

Don't be afraid to ask for citations, people. If they have a problem with citations, that makes me suspect of them and the information they're giving.

CE: 21:59

Exactly and like, granted, sometimes, like when it's my own, my kindred or my husband, my sources. Trust me, bro. It was revealed to me in a dream, like but if you're giving information to people, especially people that are new, know what you're doing, know what you're talking about and have something to back it up before you put it out there.

Kim: 22:21

Think about the three biggest influences in your practice, whether it's people or a single person or a pet, or a book or a song you heard once. Thank them for how they have influenced you.

CE: 22:42

My husband. I sound like such a school girl when I talk about him, but my husband, I thank him just about every day for this stuff because he's taught me so much. He's been a heathen a lot longer than I have. He's my Gothi actually, and he's everything that I'm not in the best ways like like it's such a cliche, stupid thing to say, but like he is the, the yin to my yang, you know, like everything that I lack he has. So I appreciate him and thank him to the end of time. The song Ymir by Danheim that song like pumps me up, like I am obsessed with everything that they've done anyway, but that song gets me, gets me pretty hype. And then Odin, just the god Odin, and that's why he gets most, almost all of my books dedicated to him and the biggest of the offerings. But if I could thank him in person I would because he's helped me a lot.

Kim: 23:46

What advice do you have for somebody just starting out?

CE: 23:51

The same advice that I have for everybody else pretty much. Stay off social media when you're learning. The same advice that I have for everybody else pretty much stay off social media when you're learning. Like don't, if you can find information in a book, then compare and contrast it to other books. Do that, and know your shit before you speak. You don't need to be teaching or doing magic for other people when you first start out. Think outside the box. Study everything, not just your initial preferences and initial practice. Study everything, anything that you can get your hands on. Read it. Even if all you get out of a book is I hate this book, it's not for me, at least you've gotten something out of it. So I would say just consume everything. You don't have to keep it. You can take what works and leave the rest, but just read everything and don't listen when people tell you not to. Kim: 24:48

Except for the movie Cabin Boy. Don't ever watch that. 

CE: 24:50

What is that?

Kim: 24:53

 Hot garbage. It's a complete trash piece of shit movie that made me want to die for two hours.

CE: 25:02

Oh my gosh, oh okay, Well, don't watch Cabin Boy. God Keep that shit away.

Kim: 25:15

So, now that you see what it's like to talk to me, who do you think it would be fun to have as a guest on my show?

CE: 25:23

Oh my gosh. So I have a suggestion my one of my really good friends. She does the covers for all of my books except for one one of my books she just helped me with and then got me the font, but her name is Xanafera. It's X-A-N-A-F-E-R-A on all social media. She's an artist beautiful art, she does like comics, she does book covers, she does commissions, like she's super, super, fucking cool. And she's also a witch witch and literally one of the nicest human beings that I've ever met in my life. So I would love to see her interviewed. 

Kim: 26:03

Cool is there anything else you wanted to bring up? Anything I didn't ask, any questions you had for me, anything going on with you?

CE: 26:14

I'll, yeah, I'll talk about the books that I have out and the one that's coming out. So far I have two self-published books on Amazon right now. One is called Alchemical Consciousness, Ttransmuting the Mind. It helps a lot with developing psychic abilities There's a lot of exercises in there to help with that, all the clairs, so to speak. And then if you're interested in like trance work and dream work, this, those exercises will really help. And then I have another book out called Tru North, A Historically Reverent Guide to Heathenry. It's  it's basically my practice. I wrote it essentially for my, my kindred, but it's called Tru North, T R U N O R T H and it's on Amazon, but it's it's just explaining, like as close to historically accurate as I can get, the practice of Germanic or Norse polytheism. And then my book that's traditionally published through my publisher, The Three Little Sisters, will be out. It'll be available for pre-order November 22nd and then released December 13th, and that one is called Alchemy of the Gods, Occultism and Northern Mythology, and it's basically connecting occult theories and occult practices to northern mythology and also it explains the runes and understanding the runes through alchemy, spiritual alchemy. It goes into numerology, sacred geometry and how those relate to Germanic and Norse mythology. I think it's a pretty interesting book not to toot my own horn or anything, but it's pretty cool. So I have those, those three books. And then I have a little business page that I don't really use anymore, but it's called Hex and Hammer, h-e-x-n hammer, and I sell rune sets. A lot of them have blood on them. But yeah, that's what I do. 

Kim: 28:18

So the last two things I ask of my guests, thing number one is recommend something. It doesn't have to be witch related, just whatever you're into, right now

CE: 28:25

Okay, go camping as often as you can, and go learn about which plants in your area that you can safely consume. I recommend that to everybody. It doesn't matter if they're into anything that I'm into, like. I think that is one of the best skills that you could have is knowing, like, how to camp, how to survive, even if it's just for you know a fucking weekend. Go out and go on camp in your yard and do something. Get outside and sleep outside. That's my advice, sleep outside.

Kim: 29:01

I actually took a survival class in college for one semester. It was really fun and I also recommend everybody do that. If you can find somebody teaching a survival course that lets you have at least one overnight, you should totally do it. God that'd be cool.

CE: 29:19

That would be really fun. I grew up in Vermont, and like part of our classes, like for science, was like learning how to track cats and like how to like go hiking safely and, like you know, don't fuck with bears, so, like I, I love that shit.

Kim: 29:40

Like domestic cats? 

CE: 29:48

No okay, no yeah, that is actually a personal hobby. I do. I do neighborhood cleanups, I track, I track the cats down. I would be okay with that. Honestly, I fucking love cats. I love them. I have this huge. She's a Chantilly Tiffany is her breed. She's this massive, long haired black cat. I'm I'm obsessed with cats. That's it Sorry Side tangent. I love cats. Oh my God, Okay. You know I was telling my husband before this. I was like I want to say something real stupid. You wait, there it is. There it is. That's hilarious.

Kim: 30:33

I enjoy cats as well, so the last thing I ask is tell me a story. It can be a story that happened to you. It can be a story that you love from childhood, whatever.

CE: 30:54

I have a good one. So it was. I think it was last year or the year before, I think it was last year. So me and my husband are pretty woo woo Like we try not to be too woo woo, but we're pretty fucking woo woo. And we got into this little phase where we'd go out and we'd go to graveyards and we'd bring a white noise machine and we'd, you know, bring all of our tools and we'd talk to spirits, right. So we found a graveyard where there were priests Well, you know, reverend, whatever and we were like how funny would it be if we got him to talk to us? And I was like, well, doesn't that kind of prove to us that, like, the Christians are kind of lying? And we're like fuck it, let's try it. And we did, and the like granted, like I'm sure you could find a way to like say, like this you know, this is how we can explain this or whatever, but I choose to believe that it was a woo woo experience. But it prayed and then it called my husband a wizard and it called me a witch, and we were like holy shit. And then we went home and we were convinced that something followed us. I don't know if it did, I don't know if it was already hanging outside my house, but we were doing the same thing outside my house because we kept hearing like weird ass noises, and so we set up our all of our stuff, and we were talking to it, and so I was like, well, what are you like? What do you want? What are you? And this thing was like first it tried to convince me that it was my dead dad, which is really funny because I've only talked to my biological father a couple of times in my life. But I was like, okay, if you're my, my dead dad, tell me. The last time we did talk, what did he teach me how to cook? And I made a comment to my, my husband. I was like he's super Sicilian and let's see what it says. And the fucking thing said spaghetti. And I was like it wasn't fucking spaghetti, that's, that's kind of, it's kind of prejudiced, isn't it spaghetti? And then it told me that it was like a ghost, it was a this, it was a that, and I was like, okay, obviously you're none of those things. And then it asked for a doorway and it was the creepiest experience of my fucking life. It was like I need a door. I need a door, I want to come in. I want to come in, and I was like that's not gonna fucking happen. And my husband was like we need to, we need to get rid of whatever this thing is, because that's, that's not okay. It wanted to come in the house and like it kept asking, like weird shit. And we're like, okay, we're done with that. So that's my, my weird story is the weird thing that lived outside my house that may or may not have followed me from the priest’s grave. I don't like that. I don't like it either. It's not. It hasn't been a problem in a while. Like, we put a shit ton of iron around anddevil's claw and tried to get rid of everything that we could have out there. And it hasn't been a problem in a while. Now, knock on wood. I don't have any wood, damn it. Hopefully it doesn't become a problem again, thank you, but yeah, it was. It was super creepy. I was not a fan of that one.

Kim: 33:59

Do you grow devil's claw there?

CE: 34:03

I don't. I wish I did. I get it from a. What is the name of that fucking store? Fantasia? I think Fantasia is where I got it from. It might've been one of the other ones. My favorite store that was in what's it called Phoenix. They closed down and, I guess, moved to Paris. I'm really sad about that. You ever been to Zombie World Market? Yeah, yeah. Zombie World Market.

Kim: 34:29

No, I've never been there. Who moves to Paris!? 

CE: 34:42

Well, I don't know, they were the only fucking store there Paris like a year and a half ago, so whatever. I guess I guess Paris is the fucking place to be. I I literally like spent like a month trying to find their email or them on social media, because they made this oil that I was obsessed with and I couldn't find it anywhere else. So I tracked them down and was like, hey, I will die if I don't have this oil that you made. And they're like we can figure it out, we can figure it out.

Kim: 35:02

Cool people. Well, thank you so much for being on the show.

CE: 35:08

Thank you for having me. This was really fun. I was super nervous, but I had a great time.

Kim: 35:12

Everybody. Make sure to go down and check the show notes for the links so you can go follow C everywhere and I will see you on the internet, even though you hate social media. Okay, bye, bye, c, hello. Welcome to Hive House. 

CE: 35:40

Hi, thanks for having me. 

Kim: 35:42

Say when. I forgot that I have not told you that I'm shuffling cards. Say when.

CE: 35:50

When. 

Kim: 35:51

Oh no. What tattoos do you have or do you want to get?

CE: 35:57

What do I want to get? What do I want to get? Tattoos? Oh, I was actually thinking about fixing my, I have the Odin's Ravens on my shoulders (fades out) (fades in) I have no clue what my thought process was, but I was like he's going to think I'm the coolest if I eat this bug. (fades out)

Kim: 36:13

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Kim: 37:10

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